Been thinking about a lot of things crossbow realated lately. Just can't seem to help myself. I'm preparing to give one of my crossbows to a friend (at least temporarily) to get him into crossbow/archery season. He's only ever gun hunted. He just had a hip replacement, so I don't have to have anything figured out too soon. I have been playing with my Apex rail (11.8") and the front off the bba mag with 32" limbs. On that rail, it draws right around 200#, and pulls so easy. I could pick up an Exo riser and make that one the gift. Also thought about an all-Excal build (it has a 405 Mega trigger in it now) with Matrix limbs, that would make it a 355-360. So...I did take the Patriot's riser off and put it on the Apex rail. Going from 12.5 down to 11.8 did reduce the click in effort a bit. Noise was just a bit more than the Patriot. I've been reading a thread on C/T about what's going to be new at the ATA, and saw Smokepole said he's having a Matrix/Micro hybrid made that will do 395 with 350gr. or 380 with 400 gr. Figured two things; 1 - it's going to be a bear to cock! 2 - I can do that in less than 5 min. So my next trick was to put the Patriot front end on the 13.5" bba mag rail. Summoned up my courage and strength, and cocked it. That extra inch, but I got it to click in. Limb bend looking just a bit scary, but I know Frank makes it work with Bextrix and Noxtrix, so. Touched the trigger and. It actually made no more noise or vibration than the inch shorter Patriot! Did that a few more times, and yeah - faster, a good bit harder to cock, but no more noise. The only faster crossbow I've shot would have been the 375 (16.5" @ 288#), but I'd have trouble cocking that one even now. I know for sure I don't need any more speed, but...with a crank on that, it wouldn't be bad. Sorry no pics, though they would not have shown much anyway. Four shots, then everybody's riser got put back on the right rail. Not sue yet what the gift bow will be exactly, but it will be a shooter, one that will serve him well.